Marvel took two Jewish-Romani characters and made them volunteer for experimentation by Nazi scientists
That’s it. There’s no justifying or excuses or story work arounds to be had. It doesn’t matter they aren’t Magneto’s children in the MCU. It doesn’t matter that they aren’t mutants. It doesn’t matter what reasons Agents of SHIELD or Cap 2 or Avengers 2 gives to try and distance Hydra from the Nazi party. It doesn’t matter what Pietro and Wanda Maximoff say or do in Age of Ultron.
Marvel made Jewish-Roman characters agree to be experimented on by Nazi scientists
That is an insult to every Jewish or Romani writer to ever work on a Marvel book, to every Jewish or Romani fan of comics who saw themselves in the Maximoffs, to every single survivor’s memory who walked away from the Holocaust to then have popular culture throw that narrative back at them and implicate the victim in the perpetrator’s scheme
I don’t even want to hear what excuses you or Marvel have to justify it
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Please tell me that this is lies :.(
no lies, both aaron and elizabeth confirmed they volunteered, and aaron also used the g slur to identify the maximoffs
Wow. I am a Make Mine Marvel Maniac from way back but this is … unconscionable.
There’s no way to shine this up nice without redoing the whole MCU, which they’re not gonna do. Way to put a horrible stain on something I’ve been looking forward to since childhood. *wallheads forever*
Well, bear in mind what we do not yet know.
We do not yet know that the Maximoffs understand Hydra’s Nazism.
We do not yet know that the Maximoffs know they were volunteering for Hydra.
We do not yet know the Maximoffs’ feelings about or connection to their heritage in this universe and story.
We do not yet know the Maximoffs’ motivations for volunteering.
We do not yet know.
I find the concept of Jewish-Romani characters working with Nazis in any way — especially experimentation — abhorrent, as I think most do. But one of the strengths — not weaknesses, strengths — of Marvel in general and the Marvel Cinematic Universe in specific is their willingness to allow their characters do flawed, stupid things, especially when they’re young.
If this is done callously, or as a story point never mentioned again, or even without context being put into place, I’ll be very upset. But if part of the point is that they make a terrible mistake, or learn just who and what they’ve given themselves over to, or otherwise acknowledge just how terrible this was… then okay.
And if upon making this discovery they dedicate themselves to redemption… then that’s actually the most basic Marvel comics story of them all. “I was self-centered and insular, and as a result I made a horrible mistake that I must atone for. Uncle Ben is dead, and I can’t bring him back to life, so I have to live every day remembering my responsibility to the world. I built terrible, destructive weapons, and learned they have been given to terrorists and murderers, and I must make myself a weapon to get them back. I disregarded my friend Ben Grimm’s warnings, and now he is horribly disfigured, and now I must somehow make this into a good thing for Ben and for the world.” (Though admittedly I don’t buy into the last one.)
I volunteered for experiments hoping to get [we don’t actually know what], but discovered I was aiding and abetting the very people who experimented on and slaughtered both sides of my heritage. I can’t take that back, but I can stop them and make the world a better place for the Romani and the Jews alike.
Sometimes, a terrible thing is just plain terrible. But sometimes, a terrible thing is the best way to highlight why it is terrible, and teach the audience something in the process.
Or, I may be giving them too much credit. It’s been known to happen. A lot.